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Zitat aus dem Text!
In the feudal period, the members of this class mostly advanced to nobility. Their heraldic sign was a high hat with lapels. And, if they obtained also a high military rank, a tuft of peacock feathers was stuck on top. Such a high hat is depicted on the arms of the Counts of Goerz, who were a Carantanian family, originally from Lienz in the upper Drava Valley. But they evidently were not in a high military position, so their hat was stuck with a tuft of cock feathers only.
In the Siebmacher's armorial there appear among the arms of the nobility of Upper Austria also those of the family Cherntner (Kärntner, i.e. Carinthian), identical with Korošak in Slovenian. Their arms depict in the shield a high hat with lapels, and on the top a . They are the signs of appurtenance to the one-time Carantanian leading class and of a higher military rank. The family is attested by Dietrich Cherntner around 1386. Probably, Wernher (1235) and Hugo Cherntner (1279), too, pertained to the same family.
The high hat was not especially a Carantanian sign; it is to be found also elsewhere. For example in the arms of Saxony, the ruler of which was a prince elector. But in the following centuries, the cock feather tuft was considered more and more a military sign only. In the 19th century and until the WW1, a tuft of black cock feathers was the sign of high officers in the Austrian army, which was put on top of their headgear. A tuft of white cock feathers pertained but to the Emperor, in his capacity of the highest military commander.
Zitat aus dem Text!
In the feudal period, the members of this class mostly advanced to nobility. Their heraldic sign was a high hat with lapels. And, if they obtained also a high military rank, a tuft of peacock feathers was stuck on top. Such a high hat is depicted on the arms of the Counts of Goerz, who were a Carantanian family, originally from Lienz in the upper Drava Valley. But they evidently were not in a high military position, so their hat was stuck with a tuft of cock feathers only.
In the Siebmacher's armorial there appear among the arms of the nobility of Upper Austria also those of the family Cherntner (Kärntner, i.e. Carinthian), identical with Korošak in Slovenian. Their arms depict in the shield a high hat with lapels, and on the top a . They are the signs of appurtenance to the one-time Carantanian leading class and of a higher military rank. The family is attested by Dietrich Cherntner around 1386. Probably, Wernher (1235) and Hugo Cherntner (1279), too, pertained to the same family.
The high hat was not especially a Carantanian sign; it is to be found also elsewhere. For example in the arms of Saxony, the ruler of which was a prince elector. But in the following centuries, the cock feather tuft was considered more and more a military sign only. In the 19th century and until the WW1, a tuft of black cock feathers was the sign of high officers in the Austrian army, which was put on top of their headgear. A tuft of white cock feathers pertained but to the Emperor, in his capacity of the highest military commander.
Darstellung der Caranthanischen Huete!
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Von dem unteren Oberwappen werde ich spaeter eine Liste erstellen!
Auch Caranthanischer Ursprung
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MfG
Frank Martinoff
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Von dem unteren Oberwappen werde ich spaeter eine Liste erstellen!
Auch Caranthanischer Ursprung
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MfG
Frank Martinoff
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Dafuer ist die Karte gedacht,
die das entweder beweisst
oder man kann es verwerfen
Aber ich glaube, dass es sehr plausibel ist
Vorallem wenn man sich alles durchliest.
http://www.winkler-kreuth.de/tradition/ ... TR1860.JPG
http://www.br-online.de/content/cms/Med ... 133148.jpg
http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/we ... t%201a.jpg
http://www.pernecker.at/dbgfx/para/para ... rt-150.jpg
die das entweder beweisst
oder man kann es verwerfen
Aber ich glaube, dass es sehr plausibel ist
Vorallem wenn man sich alles durchliest.
http://www.winkler-kreuth.de/tradition/ ... TR1860.JPG
http://www.br-online.de/content/cms/Med ... 133148.jpg
http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/we ... t%201a.jpg
http://www.pernecker.at/dbgfx/para/para ... rt-150.jpg
Only one example,
1.) Columbus was the first to discover America!
2. ) Ups - No --the Vikings left their marks first!
3. ) Ups - No --- German scientists found Coca in Egyptian Mummies
which only grows in South-America!
The world is getting smaller by the second!
Hhmmm
Oh yeah - I forgot-
earth is at the center of the known universe!
1.) Columbus was the first to discover America!
2. ) Ups - No --the Vikings left their marks first!
3. ) Ups - No --- German scientists found Coca in Egyptian Mummies
which only grows in South-America!
The world is getting smaller by the second!
Hhmmm
Oh yeah - I forgot-
earth is at the center of the known universe!
Ein weiterer Hinweis zum slowenischen Einfluss!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graz
Na dann mache ich weiter mit dem alten Siebmacher!
MAERKISCHE
- von Eschelbach – H – Pfauenf.
- von Bornstet – H – Pfauenf. Auch als Schildbild
- von Benstedt – N – Hahnenf.
- BRAUNSCHWEIGISCHE
- von Gamper – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Manderscheidt – N – Federbretter (Fuerstenhut)
- Von Tale – H – Hahnenf.
- Von Boeltzig – H – Keine?
- Von Rutl ….ers? – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Asseburg – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Steinberg – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Landd…? – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Beern – H – Pfauenf.
- Die Berner von Gottenradt – H – Pfauenf.
WESTPHAELISCHE
- Die Schelen – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Beveren – N – Hahnenf.
- Liechtenstein – N – Pfauenf. und Straussenf.
- Kirchburgh – N – Pfauenf.
- Von Elverfeldt – N – Hahnenf.
SCHWEIZERISCHE
- Von Auury – H – Straussenf.
- Von Rordorf – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Roggwill – H – Hahnenf. –Mitra
- Rappoltstein – N – Federbrett Pfauenf.
- Geroltzeck – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Erlach –H + Straussenf. Und Hahnenf.
- Von Hertenstein – H – Hahnenf.
- Von Engelsberg – H – Keine –hoher Fuerstenhut
- Von Marmels – H – Hahnenf.
NUERNBERGISCHE
- Loeffelholtz – H – Straussenf.
- AUGSBURGISCHE
- Die Langenmantel – H – Hahnenf.
- Die Walther – H – Straussenf.
- Die Herman – H – Pfauenf.
- Die Mehl….n? – H – Straussenf.
FREIHERRLICHE
- Strein zu Schwartnau – N – Straussenf.
- Stauffen – H – Pfauenf. –Mitra
- Stauf zu Ehrnfels – H – Straussenf.
- Von Toerring – H – Straussenf.
- Kurtzbach – H – Straussenf.
- Sebner zu Reiffenstein – H – Straussenf.
- Von Wildenfels – H – Straussenf.
MAERKISCHE
- von Eschelbach – H – Pfauenf.
- von Bornstet – H – Pfauenf. Auch als Schildbild
- von Benstedt – N – Hahnenf.
- BRAUNSCHWEIGISCHE
- von Gamper – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Manderscheidt – N – Federbretter (Fuerstenhut)
- Von Tale – H – Hahnenf.
- Von Boeltzig – H – Keine?
- Von Rutl ….ers? – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Asseburg – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Steinberg – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Landd…? – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Beern – H – Pfauenf.
- Die Berner von Gottenradt – H – Pfauenf.
WESTPHAELISCHE
- Die Schelen – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Beveren – N – Hahnenf.
- Liechtenstein – N – Pfauenf. und Straussenf.
- Kirchburgh – N – Pfauenf.
- Von Elverfeldt – N – Hahnenf.
SCHWEIZERISCHE
- Von Auury – H – Straussenf.
- Von Rordorf – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Roggwill – H – Hahnenf. –Mitra
- Rappoltstein – N – Federbrett Pfauenf.
- Geroltzeck – H – Pfauenf.
- Von Erlach –H + Straussenf. Und Hahnenf.
- Von Hertenstein – H – Hahnenf.
- Von Engelsberg – H – Keine –hoher Fuerstenhut
- Von Marmels – H – Hahnenf.
NUERNBERGISCHE
- Loeffelholtz – H – Straussenf.
- AUGSBURGISCHE
- Die Langenmantel – H – Hahnenf.
- Die Walther – H – Straussenf.
- Die Herman – H – Pfauenf.
- Die Mehl….n? – H – Straussenf.
FREIHERRLICHE
- Strein zu Schwartnau – N – Straussenf.
- Stauffen – H – Pfauenf. –Mitra
- Stauf zu Ehrnfels – H – Straussenf.
- Von Toerring – H – Straussenf.
- Kurtzbach – H – Straussenf.
- Sebner zu Reiffenstein – H – Straussenf.
- Von Wildenfels – H – Straussenf.